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Alice in a Cup Version 2 by hoschie Alice in a Cup Version 2 by hoschie
Yesterday I was not realy happy with my picture of alice-overdose in a cup....
I like the CGI and the Compositing and Ophelia is a beautifull Alice :-)
But the picture was lifeless ( not strong...)
I believe I worked for the 3D and compositing and lost the final picture :-(

I think about it and make a new Version with a better perspective, remake the cup and a better pose...

Do you like this version more ?
What can do to get a better picture ?

Rendering in MAYA 2010 ( with MR and fluids )
For everyone who missed the reflections in the water, see my reflections-test: [link]

Model: Ophelia overdose :iconophelias-overdose:

Photo, CGI and editing:me :iconhoschie:
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I think this is a really amazing piece. So amazing, I had to respect your wishes for a critique. I saw the other piece, and I must say that I do like V.2 better. It's a better pose. Also, Ophelia has more life in her eyes in this picture. The cup and water are also blended together more smoothly than in V.1; specifically the bottom. I especially like that you took into consideration the handle of the cup, and that it's slightly distorted from being shown underwater.

In both pictures, I think that the biggest improvement would be in Ophelia's expression and body language. She seems very relaxed, and I think the picture could be improved by a stronger stance/expression. If you're going for the original Alice, she should be more frightened and confused. However, if you're going for an Alice with an attitude or another non-Canon (non-Original) type of Alice, she would have an appropriate expression.

If you want a better picture, I think the best thing would be to have a pose and expression that makes Ophelia the focus, while making the viewer believe she's in this situation. Yes, it's a fantasy scene, but all Fantasy has some basis in reality -- even something as simple as the emotions of the characters. Her expressions and body language just need to be a little more intense, rather than relaxed and calm like she's sitting in an intertube.

All that said, I think it's a great piece and you still did an amazing job! :+favlove: Good luck.
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i-am-ghost-ent Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
Wait, you did that? I wanna talk to you
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darkshadow278 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012
Cool think we would ever see her modeling as Alice stuck in a small room giant size?
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Galato901 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2012
I love that water, for some reason it looks more real than real water itself
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iloveyoytothemoon Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2011
wow better than i could even think
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chibipunk7231 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2011
Very cute theme! I love the waves, so pretty!~ :rose:
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Girlonthamove Featured By Owner May 24, 2011
wow so imaginative!!! :) i love this!
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:iconhoschie:
hoschie Featured By Owner May 29, 2011  Professional Filmographer
Thanks :-)
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Melethnein Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
Wow
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verraperraa Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2011  Student Artist
This one is really cool!
Good job. :D
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usagi-tori Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Ophelia makes a great Alice. The CGI water looks really cool too.
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cazcastalla Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2010
This image has been featured here [link] and here [link]

Stunning! :dance:
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SuperShahaf Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2010
cute :D
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ChloeXIII Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2010
oh it's nice!
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Saeki93 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2010
Wow, thats awesome! I like it, great job. ^^
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RenDuH Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2010  Student Photographer
Whoaaa....the water looks like Jell-O that someone took some scoops out of....
lol
I like it!
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NurseTab Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2010
And I was just thinking "I wonder if he's done anything with Ophelia?" my answer comes!
This is amazing!
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shedano Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2010  Student Filmographer
That water is far too clean . It lacks life. It's very pretty, yes, but "it looks like the fresh toilet water in which you drop the blue thing in" as my friend put it.
Water that clean would be very very reflective. Even in normal ocean water that is blue with a tinge of greens and browns, there would be slightly more reflection going on...only slightly, but you have supremely blue clean water.
The cup seems almost too smooth, a stain, a yellow patch, some shadows on the actual cup would make it more plausible. Anything but pure white.
The light looks like it's everywhere. You should have tried a physical sun and sky light, turn on the photons and caustics and global illumination to create a better feel of light.
And in Alice's leg area, it's too clear that it's been cut. You need a smoother transition.
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chazzsgirl4ever Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2010
Gorgeous ^^
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Lupis-Fox Featured By Owner May 17, 2010
you should put it in the Alice in Wonderland compitition.
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Calander Featured By Owner May 14, 2010
Very well done I love it! And her unique look as well makes the shot.
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LittleDoodGirl2 Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2010
She looks kinda- punk :/ no offence, but what I DO like is that background :)
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LuciaSeriin Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Tolles Bild, sieht total süß aus, wie sie da in der Tasse sitzt/liegt x3
Ich finde nur, das Wasser sieht so Gelee-artig aus, weiß nicht so recht wie ich das beschreiben soll.. irgendwie sieht es "nicht flüssig genug" aus..
Wie gesagt, ich weiß nicht, wie es richtig ausdrücken soll, aber ich finde trotzdem, dass das Bild wirklich schön ist ^^
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sirenamezzo Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2010  Professional Photographer
GREAT! :D
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yorukami Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2010
Wonderful work!! I can't believe how well thsi game out.
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Hallerday Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2010  Student General Artist
I think because her hand is so pale, when it's in front of her blonde hair, it gets lost. Maybe if she had it flung out to touch the waves, or hanging limply over the edge of the cup...
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bloodmoon0011 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2010
I think a closer frame would help. There's way too much zero space.
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River213 Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2010  Professional Photographer
OMG!

this is FANTASTIC work my friend, Bravo on everything!

-River
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techgnotic Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2010
Hey I of course love all of your work! But I featured this one in a journal entry. :)
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BowlWheeEvil Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2010
Wow, EXCELLENT job on the water! :D
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Isthell Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Looks actually the see, as a blue mercury fluid... :D
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lookatmewithlove Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2010  Hobbyist Interface Designer
AMAZING!
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hoschie Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2010  Professional Filmographer
Thanks :-)
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lookatmewithlove Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2010  Hobbyist Interface Designer
ur welcome ^^
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Gaina Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2010
Personally I like it, but maybe you could make a stronger reflection in the water of the cup and Ophelia's legs dangling over the side?
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gladewalker Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2010
The water is simply amazing and it's pretty seamless. She's a bit too "clean" (as in unreflected, unaffected by the environment) but as an abstract picture it works.
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DeepDream-21 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
Du kriegst über 200 faves und bist unhappy? :D:D:D
Wie auch immer; dieses Bild mag ich auch lieber :heart:
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pumkinkiss Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2010
I like this one more than the last one because i thought she had to much make-up on. I still do but its harder to tell from the angel the picture was shot at.
I also feel like she isn't in the setting the way she would be-if that makes sense. I dont feel like her body and facial expression match what your trying to do here.



Great concept and kudo's on the watter.
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dinshino Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010
"Tears are a precious thing and should not be shed so easily..."

Can't really quote any of the lines that well anymore.
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StickManJr Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010  Professional Traditional Artist
This is an absolutely wonderful picture. She's incredibly beautiful and I can't stop looking at her in this picture, plus your editing and everything is amazing as well! I love it! :heart: :+favlove:
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Cherieosaurus Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010  Professional General Artist
Really cool concept. Love this picture!

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The front shoe, I almost feel as if it ruins the perspective because we are able to see the sole of the shoe. Her legs seem to give the illusion of pointing further back, but then you get to the sole and suddenly it's pointing more towards us.
Also, some disturbance in the water where it is lapping up on the cup and perhaps some kind of ripple where the cup is displacing the water as it glides through it. I really like the underwater piece and believe that if you do do the lapping water and adding that underwater consistency you'll get a better feel of buoyancy.
Placing some debris in the water might add that extra UMPF that you're looking for as well. The whole scene is about her crying so much that it floods out a room, and thus is surrounded by the various objects.

This probably cannot be fixed, but I'm not sure how you create something like this, that's the pixel artist in me, but her legs sticking straight out, almost like she's holding them in that position makes the image fell static. If her legs were pointing different, or one knee slightly more bent than the other, it would add that sense of motion of her trying to keep her balance in this cup.

Again, the piece is fantastic and the water is mind blowing. Truly a great work.
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kaoi-ni Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010
I do like this picture. The same way I usually appreciate seeing your photographs.

However I feel that the picture has life, but needs something to make it pop a litte. Maybe crop it to make the "Alice" a little bit more obvious or put another color to add a nice contrast like changing her headband to red and giving her lips a red tint. Just to make it pop a little bit. After all she is the centerpiece of the picture right?
Somehow I hope that helps. I hope I don't seem like a blabbermouth whose commenting as an outsider
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Violin-poet Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Very nice. I love the texture of the water.
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Knee-Coal Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010
It must be a plastic cup seeing as its floating
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hagelt18 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010  Hobbyist
The water is amazing. I might recommend when you consider a pose, give her more of a shocked or worried expression. She is, after all, suddenly floating in a cup in a sea of her own tears.
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Armando-Huerta Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010  Professional Traditional Artist
Waaaaay out better than Tim Burton's :thumbsup:
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Muk-Sludge Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010  Student
I love this picture it makes my jaw drop.
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sicherheitpolizei Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010
Ophelia is a beautiful Alice, I agree.
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KojixLovesxYou Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010  Hobbyist Artist
I fucking love this.
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AenaNamyk Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010
this is an amazing picture
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YoungAndFreeDesign Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010
Lovely. A pleasure to the eyes
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